tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7999633524276247455.post7793102909087357860..comments2023-07-04T16:57:28.929+01:00Comments on Where's the Benefit?: Godwin's Law Must Die - the problem when 1930s Germany really is the only good parallelLisahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16714918894319998184noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7999633524276247455.post-48692709642217953522012-03-23T06:29:56.459+00:002012-03-23T06:29:56.459+00:00i have done my research in a lot of areas that god...i have done my research in a lot of areas that godwin is trying to say. so therefore all i have to say is i understand the power of negative or positive rational statements and the passing on to others these powerful statements. I wish it was easy to have everyone understand and it is possible but very hard. only way to share is to have the knowledge to spread the importance of all these wise mens therories or to some "laws" without leaving holes for arguments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7999633524276247455.post-54115840049952693912011-09-07T12:01:54.489+01:002011-09-07T12:01:54.489+01:00We haven't seen mass mob violence, the traditi...We haven't seen mass mob violence, the traditional definition of a pogrom (I'd argue killing is incidental to a pogrom, rather than a necessity), but we have seen a rise in disability hate crime and a distinct worsening of our acceptance in the general community as a result of rabble-rousing by both tabloids and government, and I'd argue that fits the common understanding of a pogrom if not the technically correct one (consider the difference between the technical definition of decimated and the commonly understood meaning for a parallel example of terms having accepted uses at odds with their technical definition).DavidGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11734028655032503805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7999633524276247455.post-76606442829224538332011-09-06T14:39:43.349+01:002011-09-06T14:39:43.349+01:00I am in Black Triangle and have commented previous...I am in Black Triangle and have commented previously that the use of "pogrom" to describe current welfare reform is NOT accurate and frankly sounds hysterical to the point where I couldn't support a recent BT 'statement of principles' (many of which were simply socialist claptrap). So far the central government is not trying to kill us, when they do, THEN it becomes a pogrom.<br /><br />Comparison of the scapegoating of disabled people (both now and in Nazi Germany) is however entirely appropriate and an issue worth pursuing. What on earth is the point of "bringing down the government" when the next one will do nothing differently and was in fact responsible for creating the mess we have now?!DeusExMacintoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02728119585120029111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7999633524276247455.post-71904858890333786442011-09-01T18:26:32.983+01:002011-09-01T18:26:32.983+01:00I was involved in a thread at Left Foot Forward a ...I was involved in a thread at Left Foot Forward a couple of months ago, where someone made this comparison. Immediately the cry went up that we were being hysterical. So I challenged the person doing all the shouting to come up with another parallel where a central government set out to deliberately demonise a minority for its own convenience. To give him credit he gave it a good try, but the only nearly workable example he could come up with was the Inquisition, which doesn't work that well as a parallel as a lot of the Inquisition's activities were pretty decentralized. And in any case the Inquisition? That's really so much more positive an example than Nazism, isn't it?<br /><br />Similarly on Lib Dem Voice someone took umbrage at someone else describing what was happening to us as a pogrom, with the usual bleating that we were demeaning those who were real victims of pogroms. He went strangely silent when I pointed out that most of the disabled people I know have been talking in similar terms for the past couple of years, and that the Equality Act says that you can only judge the effect of discriminatory harassment by asking those directly affected how they feel about it.DavidGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11734028655032503805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7999633524276247455.post-956296411808072922011-09-01T16:20:59.350+01:002011-09-01T16:20:59.350+01:00Well, they won't bully silence out of me. I ju...Well, they won't bully silence out of me. I just reposted the link to this article. A week ago, I got into a pissing match with some oik online who was doing what you described above - invoking Godwin's Law to try and shut me up. I beat him down then, and if he pops his head up again I'll beat him down again.Alex Greenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15770416521939518665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7999633524276247455.post-87271366899376639012011-08-31T21:34:19.032+01:002011-08-31T21:34:19.032+01:00Great post on a topic that really needs confrontin...Great post on a topic that really needs confronting. <br /><br />It's always worth pointing out to people that the entire *point* of Godwin's law, its very reason for existing in the first place, is to get rid of false comparisons *so that valid comparisons do not lose their impact*. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. So when people shriek Godwin at anyone noting this particular parallel, they are actually themselves part of the problem it aims to highlight.<br /><br />This lack of research on their part exposes their actions for what they are: an attempt to silence.Jannoreply@blogger.com