This afternoon Labour MP Michael Meacher obtained an
adjournment debate (limited to 30 minutes) to raise the fact that DWP Minister
Mark Hoban had refused to meet with himself, fellow Labour MP Tom Greatrex and Sue
Marsh (@suey2y) and Kaliya Franklin (@bendygirl) of the disabled people’s group
Spartacus to discuss the Work Capability Assessment, the reasons for which he
details in his blog
here.
The debate descended into farce when it became apparent that
of the seven or so MPs in the chamber, Mark Hoban wasn’t one of them, having
apparently been delayed at the airport, with DWP Minister Esther McVey, the
Minister for Disabled People, deputised in his place.
Michael Meacher opened the debate by explaining the
background to his request for a meeting was the ongoing issue of Atos and the
Work Capability Assessment, and that in his 40 years of parliamentary
experience it was unprecedented for a minister to refuse point blank to meet
with a delegation of people directly affected by parliamentary measures. He
said that the recent debate on Atos and the WCA was one of the best he had ever
experienced with no cross-party rancour, just cross-party condemnation of Atos,
and no defence of DWP.
This was the reason he had sought a meeting with the Minister.
He had waited five weeks for a reply, and ultimately had to submit a Parliamentary
Question in order to force a response, a response which he described as
parliamentary language for a flat ‘no’. He then approached Hoban in the lobby,
only to be told 'I'm not seeing you', a statement repeated another three times,
and then was told 'I'm not seeing Spartacus', again repeated three times.
Meacher then went on to explain how Spartacus is a loose
collective of thousands of disabled people whose initial, evidence-based report
showed how DWP had systematically misled the public on the degree of support
for disability benefit cuts. As he pointed out, the Spartacus Report had trended
spectacularly on Twitter on the day of its release and had since gone on to be
referenced in the House, and by several other governmental committees. He noted
that Spartacus have gone on to produce other evidence-based reports and that
DWP ministers have repeatedly met with Spartacus members Sue Marsh and Kaliya
Franklin, at the Conservative Party Conference, at other events, and have
regularly debated with them on the BBC.
He conclude by noting that he could not understand why Mark
Hoban was refusing to engage, noting that Spartacus planned to move for the immediate
implementation of all reforms from the DWP-sponsored Harrington reviews to the
WCA, noting that trials have shown that while full implementation of
Harrington will reduce the number of assessments an Atos ‘Health Care
Professional’ can carry out daily, from around 11 down to 4 to 5, the result is
near 100% accuracy. (Current WCA rates show around 1 assessment in 6 overturned
at appeal).
Meacher concluded that he could leave out Spartacus from the
delegation but he refused to do so because he does not believe ministers can
pick and choose. He said that the minister was free to persist with his intransigence,
but he would not back down because hundreds of thousands of sick and disabled
people have been subjected to real hardship and fear.
Esther McVey opened the Coalition’s response by explaining
that Mark Hoban’s plane from Scotland
had suffered engine failure and been forced to turn back. She then tried to
blame Michael Meacher for Hoban’s failure to appear, saying the government would
have been willing to reschedule, glossing over the fact that Michael Meacher
would have been unlikely to obtain another position in the parliamentary
schedule for the debate.
McVey then listed a score of charities, and companies
operating in the welfare industry, who Mark Hoban had met with. It was immediately
obvious that none of these are Disabled People’s User Led Organisations, but unfortunately
this is not the first time that Mcvey has appeared not to understand the
difference between a disability charity and a DPULO, nor to be aware of ‘Nothing
for us, without us.’
McVey then emphasized that ‘We are keen to maintain a
constructive dialogue to improve the work capability assessment.’ This was a very specific choice
of words for which the reason would later become clear.
Michael Meacher then secured an intervention to repeat his
question, as McVey apparently had no intention of getting to an answer any time
soon. In fact it was becoming rapidly apparent that McVey’s primary intent was
to run down the clock on the debate, and with only 30 minutes allocated there
wasn’t a great deal of clock she needed to run down.
McVey then launched into a prolonged explanation of how
Labour were to blame for the WCA (which both disabled people and MPs are well
aware of), and how the Coalition have improved the WCA (which disabled people
would dispute). She was again challenged to get to the answer, and after a
further batch of playground politics – “They did it, Miss” – which she
categorized as ‘essential context’ finally touched on something almost related
to the issue.
This wasn’t to actually answer the question, of course, now
she denied that the DWP ministerial office had failed to answer Michael Meacher
within the required 20 working days. Michael Meacher responded by holding up
the letter in question and reading out the dates, which were indeed more than
20 working days apart. McVey tried to claim that this was not the case, but
then appeared to realise the futility of trying to shout down a man actually holding
the evidence to prove her false.
With around 25 minutes of the debate gone, McVey then
finally got to the point of her answer. That Mark Hoban would not meet with
Spartacus, because Spartacus were unwilling to be reasonable. And DWP’s evidence
for this was the language used in part of the foreword to the Spartacus produced 'People's Review of the WCA' (i.e. one paragraph in a one hundred page report). She seemed to be a little confused over what Spartacus had
actually said, so for accuracy here is the original paragraph
from the foreword:
"The
WCA is a statement of political desperation. The process is reminiscent of the
medical tribunals that returned shell shocked and badly wounded soldiers to
duty in the first world war or the ‘KV-machine’, the medical commission the
Nazis used in the second world war to play down wounds so that soldiers could
be reclassified ‘fit for the Eastern front"
That quote was not by either Sue Marsh or Kaliya Franklin, the
two Spartacus representatives who Mark Hoban had been asked to meet with, nor
by any of the principal authors of the Spartacus reports, but was in fact by the
author of the foreword to the People's Review, Professor Peter Beresford OBE, BA Hons,
PhD, AcSS, FRSA Dip WP Professor of Social Policy Brunel University.
McVey then tried to mousetrap Michael Meacher by insisting
that surely he would join her in condemning Spartacus for such outrageous
language, making it clear that this would be a prerequisite for any meeting. With
her careful eye on the clock McVey then sat, leaving Michael Meacher with little
chance to say more than the parliamentary equivalent of “What?!” before the
debate reached its deadline and the House rose, but it would be fair to say
that the disabled twittersphere (which had either been watching the live web
feed or following the people like me who were live tweeting it) exploded in
outrage.
What makes McVey’s claims about Spartacus being unreasonable
so utterly ludicrous was that the debate was chaired by the Deputy Speaker, Nigel
Evans MP, and Kaliya Franklin, one of the two Spartacus representatives in
question, had spent the previous week working in the Deputy Speaker’s office as
a form of political work-experience, an internship arranged by none other than
Minister of Work and Pensions Ian Duncan Smith (Hoban and McVey’s boss) and in
part by Esther McVey herself.
As Kaliya noted on Twitter: “Oo yes, I do believe I've also found the email's to Mark Hoban's
secretary where I politely request a constructive meeting on #wca” and
“
Hmm. I've just found
an email I sent to Esther McVey in October 2012 where I made several
constructive suggestions re #wca”
Clearly utterly unreasonable….